PASTOR, WHO HAVE YOU BEEN MEETING WITH!
“Now John answered and said, ‘Master, we saw someone casting out demons in Your name, and we forbade him because he does not follow us.’ But Jesus said to him, ‘Do not forbid him, for he who is not against us is on our side.’”
“Behold, how good and pleasant it is for brethren to dwell together in unity!”
A hot topic in the body of Christ in North America these days is the issue of unity. Simply, followers of Jesus are wondering about what kinds of churches and Christians they can affirm and hang out with. Can a Calvary Chapel Christian hang out with a Reformed Christian? Can a seeker sensitive church affirm a fundamentalist church? Can a pastor who favors expository preaching go to lunch with the topic-driven preacher across town? Can we develop meaningful relationships with anyone outside of our immediate denomination, movement, or dogmatic theological persuasion? Let me share some things from a couple different meetings I’ve recently attended that have caused me to revisit the issue of unity in the body of Christ amongst pastors and congregations afresh.
A Tale of Two Meetings
Recently I’ve had the opportunity to gather at two different meetings with two different unity dynamics. The first meeting was with four pastors including myself from different denominations, theological and educational backgrounds, and churches with different philosophies of ministry. The second meeting was with most of the Calvary Chapel pastors of Northern Utah and their wives.
Meeting with the Calvary Chapel Camp
At the meeting with the Calvary Chapel pastors and wives there was lots of good fellowship, food, and encouragement. It was a good chance to get to know each other better and pray for what God is doing, and just catch up.
The unity factor in this meeting was primarily founded on the Jesus of the Bible and the biblical gospel. But there was more to our unity than Jesus and the simple gospel. That particular group had what we could call wider doctrinal unity as well. In addition to the essential doctrines of orthodox Christianity we shared similar perspectives on philosophy of ministry, theological issues like eschatology and soteriology, and the method of Bible teaching (expository preaching).
Points of Greatest Impact
Having unity in Jesus and His gospel was definitely the most important thing to this group. But it is true that we also had a special connection over secondary issues like those named above. We agree on many things that a person doesn’t need to affirm to be considered a born-again Christian with a genuine relationship with Jesus. I enjoy having wider doctrinal unity with friends. It’s fun to talk about and appreciate our unique role in the body of Christ locally and globally. So, enough about that; let’s move on to the next meeting.
Meeting with the Multi-perspectival Camp
My other meeting was with some pastors from a multi-perspectival frame of mind. In this group, instead of having wider doctrinal and methodological unity, we had what you could simply call gospel unity. This is because, beyond the biblical gospel, we have differing perspectives and practices on a number of things.
One of the pastors is definitely the guy with the coolest church in town. They’ve got an awesome building, awesome music, inspiring messages, lots of art and technology, and all that good stuff. They do really well reaching the un-churched and younger generations in the Salt Lake Valley.
One of the other pastors at this meeting is a seasoned man with lots of wisdom and experience. He is from a Dutch Reformed background, and serves in our area as a sort of pastor of pastors helping planters and their families stay healthy and network together.
Another pastor in the group has been a prominent leader regionally in the Evangelical Free Church, and is now one of a number of teaching pastors at one of the largest churches in Northern Utah. The church at which he serves gets much love and criticism in our area because on the one hand they seem to be reaching lots of people. But on the other hand they are seen by some as a kind of Walmart style church because they’ve successfully worked through a few church mergers which resulted in one multiple campus church which used to consist of at least four independent churches. No matter what your opinion is about the philosophy of ministry of this church, the truth is that Jesus is using them to save many people in Northern Utah. They are being used greatly by the Lord to reach Mormons and former Mormons in our area, and I praise God for that.
Lastly, there was me! I am the lead pastor of a Calvary Chapel affiliated church called Refuge Church in Riverdale, UT. If you were to come to our church you’d typically find loud music, one hour expository sermons, and an atmosphere of love. As of the time of this writing we are planning our sixty-sixth baptism in the past fourteen months which is to take place on Christmas day because Jesus has been graciously saving and changing lots of people through a less than two-year-old church-plant. Most of the people whom Jesus has saved at Refuge are burnt out on religion because of the influence of the predominant religious institution in our state. They are normal people, with human problems, looking for a God of grace and transformation.
Obviously, this group of pastors could come up with many things on which they have differences of perspective and practice. Some of us prefer topical preaching while some of us prefer expository preaching. Some of us have a more Arminian bent when it comes to salvation, and some of us are decidedly Calvinistic and Reformed. Some of us preach for thirty minutes, and some of us preach for over an hour. We could potentially go on for a while listing differences of perspectives, doctrinal positions, and methodology represented by each man at this meeting.
Points of Greatest Impact
In all of the differences one might be able to deduce from the men represented in this meeting, it wasn’t our differences, but the things in which we had unity that impacted me most.
Confession time: In the past I have definitely spent much of my time beating up the body of Christ with which I don’t have wider doctrinal unity. I’ve been one of those guys content to read only books by guys I have full or at least buzz topic agreement (certain bents on the finer points of soteriology, etc.). I have been content to mainly hang out with Christians and churches I have almost total agreement with, while criticizing any church or pastor that seemed seeker sensitive, topical, emergent, and on and on and on.
Time for more confession: I had even had some of the thoughts and emotions described above toward some of the ministries represented by the pastors who were with me in the second meeting. About five years ago, the Holy Spirit worked me over in regard to my sectarian mentality, and I’m thankful for that. Sometimes that residue of sectarianism still creeps up and I have to kill it, and the pride that spawns it in my heart. This meeting helped me do that again.
I saw a number of things in this meeting that both challenged and encouraged me which spurred me on to write this post:
1. These guys showed love for our brothers in Christ that I wasn’t sure I possessed.
The entire point of this meeting from the perspective of these men was to figure out how they could bless Utah church-planters. They didn’t care if the guy was Baptist, Calvary Chapel, Reformed, Arminian, or what, as long as they stood for the biblical Jesus and the biblical gospel. I saw in the eyes, and heard in the voices of these guys a love for other brothers that was born simply out of the reality of being brothers in Christ with them! I honestly didn’t know if that kind of heart was beating in my chest with the same genuineness and grace I sensed in these men, and I prayed for it silently right in the meeting as the Holy Spirit was challenging me through what I was seeing.
2. These guys showed incredible love for me which I knew I didn’t deserve.
Additionally, I was humbled by the love these guys had for me. As I sat and listened to these guys I couldn’t help but wonder how I had ended up at a meeting with men Jesus was using so much. And yet, it didn’t matter to them that I was younger, different in some ways, or whatever. They believed we could work together for the good of the kingdom beyond our wider doctrinal and methodological issues, and they were glad I was there. They even wanted to hear my ideas!
3. These guys really are on the same mission to which Jesus has called me and the church I lead.
No matter what differences the men in this meeting have, we have the more important things in common. We worship the same Jesus, preach the same gospel, and advance the same kingdom. Those common bonds are greater than any differences we possess, even important differences.
4. These guys really do have the same enemy that I do.
This last point was perhaps most impacting for me in regard to unity. As each man shared about spiritual warfare in their life, it occurred to me that we were not only unified in our Savior and mission, but in our enemy. Each man had dealt with spiritual warfare in the form of demonic dreams, depression, and sickness. We’d dealt with all the same kinds of satanic opposition to the work Jesus had called us to complete. As we talked about the struggles and challenges of serving Jesus in a demonically oppressed place like Utah, it suddenly became even clearer that we are certainly not fighting for different teams at the end of the day. We go about the fight differently. We emphasize different weapons at times. But when it comes down to it, we’re fighting for the same kingdom, and we’re fighting against the same enemy.
If you struggle with sectarianism, repent and be blessed. Whoever isn’t against you is for you. I’d encourage you to meditate on Luke 9:49-50 and see what the Holy Spirit has to say to you. Let’s enjoy the wider doctrinal unity we have with other believers, churches, and pastors in our unique theological and methodological camps. But let’s also enjoy simply having gospel unity with those outside our specific camps. Find and pray with pastors and Christians of other backgrounds. Develop relationships of encouragement with them. The very witness of the gospel depends upon it. Let me leave you with a prayer of Jesus He offered to the Father on behalf of all of His people, world-wide, of all generations:
“I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will believe in Me through their word; that they may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me.”
Such a brilliant post, Kellen. You very articulately put into your words many of my own experiences and struggles, and I’m grateful for your candor and exhortation!
Thanks a bunch, brotha! It was a little painful writing this at points, but I really feel it’s what I needed to do. I don’t know if the area in which I serve is really special in the intense sectarian mentality or not, but it feels like it at times. I know I’ve been part of it in the past. I have a burden to not only resist the temptation to promote it, but a desire to help curb it too.
Good word for me, Pastor Kellen. It’s too easy to forget that we all really do face the same enemy. People who could spend hours arguing about the finer points of secondary doctrines at the coffee shop discover that when they are thrown into the trenches together, that stuff gets put on hold. And the battle is raging in Utah, probably more fiercely than most places.
So true, Brian. That last point, as noted, really was the most powerful for me. I’ve spent a lot of time thinking about what I have in common with other Christians on the positive side of the mission, but not the negative. When I came face to face with the fresh realization that these guys were being beaten up by the same devil and his demons, there was a much deeper spirit of unity created in me. Like you said, when you’re both in the same trench facing the same bullets, it becomes much more about the essentials of what you’re doing together than the non-essential differences.
Brian, I love your choice of words when you talk about us all being thrown into the trenches together. I was thinking about this from a military perspective, and it occurred to me that churches are a lot like different parts of the military. Some of the “big” churches in the area are like the heavy weaponry, carpet bombing the masses with scripture. But you can’t reach everyone with bombs and tanks. Sometimes it takes a smaller “special forces” church like Refuge to go into the hard-to-reach areas and hit people one-by-one with God’s grace. Then you have support units, which would be like churches that are very focused on prepping missionaries to go out into the world, often behind enemy lines.
The point is that we all come from churches that use widely varying tactics to carry God’s Word to the world, but the point is that we are all the same army; in this case, the Army of God.
Really good analogy, Jonathon. Thanks for your input on that. 🙂
Good word, Kellen. As Calvary pastors we have so much more in common with the denoms. and non-denoms. than we have differences. We have the same Lord, the same faith, the same salvation, the same hope, the same Bible, the same mission, the same Spirit – we’re the same family!
Absolutely, Tim! Thanks for the encouragement and reinforcement! That is a lot of “sames” to be sure. 🙂
Love it. Gospel unity is something we all need to be better at, and I’d love to see us get better at here in Utah. Thanks for the exhortation!
Hey, thanks for the comment, Benjer! Obviously I don’t have to tell you about this stuff. 🙂 And on this note, we need to get together again soon! It’s been a blessing to meet with guys like you and Roy Gruber. Let’s keep it going.
Thanks Pastor Kellen! What a great post. The part that really hit me was reading Luke 9 and seeing Jesus say “Don’t stop them.” I think in the past if it was up to me I would have stopped a lot of churches because they didn’t agree with me on the secondary (and tertiary, etc.) issues. Like you, God’s been working on that in me a lot too and I’m starting to see the joys and blessings of fellowshipping with those who disagree and not merely listening to my own camp. They truly are “for us” and for the gospel of our King.
I hear you, Debo (Yes, I called you that on such a public forum)! Luke nine has been huge for me on that. I’ve often wondered why that verse doesn’t come up more often in discussions I’ve heard on Christian unity at the missional level. I’m glad it was a blessing for you, brother.
Good post, Pastor. The Enemy uses every weapon he can to fight the spiritual battle. Clearly, disunity over the millennia has been a very effective weapon, mainly because it appeals to our pride at ‘being right’. When we lay aside our pride and realize, at the core, no human has it ‘right’, because, as Paul said, we won’t see Christ clearly, as He is, until His return, then we are left with simply following Christ the best we can, with the help of the Spirit. For each man, that will manifest a little bit different, and we do well to learn from our differences.
The road to righteousness is indeed narrow, and passes only through Jesus, but Christ’s appeal to the people of the world is very, very broad indeed, and His message comes to individuals in many, many different ways.
Hey Mike. Thanks for the comments. It’s true, nobody is right all the time. We need to be able to keep the main thing the main thing (the gospel). Jesus definitely uses many people and many tactics to get His life-changing message to the masses.
I loved your honesty and willingness to see the Body of Christ more like Jesus sees it!
I’ve been in Santa Cruz as a pastor for 1 1/2 years now. When I was in Monterey, I helped start the Evangelical Ministerial Association.
Yet, I’ve not had any desire … or acted on any desire … to connect with other pastors here except those with my brand name.
But today I practically forced myself to go to the local chapter. Even when I arrived, I felt like leaving. “What’s the point,” I asked myself. But I stayed. I semi-enjoyed the gathering, and I even signed up for the senior pastor’s prayer summit taking place next month. A leap of willingness for me.
Your words remind me of the truth behind such a decision. Thanks, Kellen. Very affirming.
Thanks so much for that feedback, Bill. I’m way excited the Lord used it to affirm something practical in your life the very day I wrote this. I know you’re aware of what it’s like to wrestle in prayer as to whether or not you should write/preach something only to do it and find out God wanted to use it for someone very specifically. That really blesses me. I don’t know if I’ve ever mentioned it, but through correspondence you were actually one of my Bible college instructors and I’ve received much encouragement from you. So it’s a double blessing for you to be blessed through me. Thanks again big brotha.
I’m proud of you, Bill!!
Kellen, Great post and very practical to where I am studying in Gensis 13. One of the specific applications that the Lord is applying to our church is this very issue. In chapter 13 of Genesis Abram’s servants and Lot’s servants are fighting amongst themselves and Abram sais to Lot, “Why are we fighting? Are we not brethren?” The interesting thing to me about that section is that there is this random statement that says, “at this time the Canaanites dwelt in the land.” Whether or not it is specifically implied in the text or not, I believe God impressed on me afresh that if we are fighting amongst ourselves as believers in the biblical Jesus, it will effect our witness for Him to this world that so desperately needs His gospel. Jesus said they (the proverbial Canaanites in our land) will know you are my disciples by our love for one another! Thanks for being such an encouragement and example. Keep being bold in following the voice of God, the health of our church depends on it 🙂
I meant to say *says to Lot 🙂
That’s so cool, Jeremy. Just as at the beginning, God continues to lead us in this journey in the same direction even when we aren’t aware of what the Spirit is saying to each of us individually. I love discovering that God has been saying the same thing to us both about ministry here in Utah individually. It’s confirming of His voice, amen? It’s awesome to be in ministry with another pastor that shares the same heart and vision. Thanks, bro.
Kellen, I’m reminded of what often takes place in overseas mission work, which (I think) has several parallels to ministry with the Gospel in Utah. The reality of battle & spiritual warfare tends to strip away what often separates leaders in the US, because you need one another. There are, of course, exceptions, but especially in tough mission fields a lot of stuff that gets in the away at “home” gets set aside for the central focus of the Gospel… and survival.
Good, honest post bro.
That’s really interesting, Trip. It’s been a topic of discussion around here actually. We are in a crazy mission field here. Many people don’t realize that at absolutely the highest numbers, less than 3% of the population in Utah attends any kind of evangelical church ever. We are in an area with a unique demonic oppression in some ways. The guys here that have been over seas are surprised at the state of our unity though. They expect the same thing you said, but our pressure in the field here still doesn’t produce the coming together that we’d often like to see. It’s a bit counterintuitive honestly. You’d think that the pressure would pull us together more, but we seem to let the enemy get a foot-hold far too easily. The Spirit is working though. And I’m optimistic in light of the change in my own heart first, and the changes that seem to be brewing over the past couple years in the small Christian community in Utah as a whole.
i love u are doing.